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  SCOTT ADAMS: TERROR AUSTRALIS

INTERVIEW WITH SHAI HULUD


scott adams



I meet ShaiHulud guitarist Matt Fox at the Melbourne instalment of 2013's Soundwave festival. After we swap mutually admiring comments on one another's top-half attire (me resplendent in an Angel Witch shirt, he rocking a particularly splendid MDC number) it's time to get down to business.

And, as the affable six stringer settles down at our sundrenched interview bench I remark that I myself can't find anything but good things to say about new album Reach Beyond the Sun, and nor, it would seem, does anyone else – what about you, Matt – you pleased with it?

"Yes, mostly. I mean, it takes me a while to be happy with anything but I'm probably more happy with this one than a lot of the records we've done in a long time. So yes. But it depends how I'm listening to it. If I'm listening to it casually – if someone else has it on – I can appreciate it. But if I decide to listen to it myself…I'll pick out all the flaws and what might be inconsequential to someone else to me sounds like a glaring mistake. So I try not to give too much attention to it, otherwise I focus on what I think are the problems."

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The record to me sounds like the quintessential (if that's not too grandiose a word to use here) Shai Hulud album. If somebody came to me and hadn't heard you before I could play them this record and it seems like there's something of everything about you in it. Would you agree with that?

"Yes, I think that's a good way to see it. And that was the goal. We wanted this album to be very varied from the outset. So that's always cool when you have a plan or a mission and you accomplish it. That doesn't happen to us very often! We managed to incorporate a lot of different sounds that we've touched on in the past and get them all on record. So yes, if I had to give somebody the quote-unquote 'quintessential' – not to use that word again- record, it would be this one. To introduce us to somebody else, it would be this one."

How does that come about then, how does Reach Beyond the Sun become that record? What are the circumstances that allow you to reach this point? Is it Chad (Gilbert, the band's long departed vocalist, now of New Found Glory, who returned to sing on this record) coming back?

"You mean the varied nature of the record? That had nothing to do with Chad. It was the goal for a while and I think it had a lot to do with the albums in the past, which I don't think ever fully nailed what we wanted to do. You know, on the first album (1997s 'Hearts Once Nourished With Hope And Compassion') we were kids, and a lot of the stuff was worked out the night before... you know we didn't know what the hell we were doing!

"On the second album ('That Within Blood Ill-Tempered' from 2003) we'd learned a lot about music; and we put everything on it, we slaved over every note. Similarly on the third album (the 2008 effort 'Misanthropy Pure') we had a goal to be extremely harsh and pissed; Not only on the songs but in the spaces between the songs!... everything had to be (and at this point Fox starts punching his right fist into his left palm) extremely harsh and pissed sounding.

"So on all the albums we had all these goals... and the goal for each album was coming on the tail of the record before it, it was pre-determined by the record before it. All of that said, when we came to do this album we took a step back and said 'what is it we are trying to do? Our bass player, who wasn't in the studio with us when we did 'Misanthropy Pure'... the guy that produced it (Greg Thomas) and myself, when left to our own devices we'd get out our protractors and start saying 'this isn't harsh enough, it's not tricky enough' so we'd take what would normally be a normal Shai Hulud song and we turned it into what became 'Misanthropy Pure', which was a lot more technical, quite a few shades away from what we really are.

"And so this time – and I hope I'm answering your question with all of this – our bass player Matthew Fletcher said let's just be ourselves. Let's write things and not think they aren't tricky enough, don't worry that it's not smart enough, which is a problem I have with this stuff.

"Because when I write something, you know, I know what a moron I am so when I write a guitar part I think it can't be ready to go, know what I mean? So if I'm writing something I need to spend time on it because I know that there are a lot of people who care about ShaiHulud's music and I want to give them the best. So that's my take on it. When I write I don't just fart something out and say here you go everybody. I tend to want to work on it.

"And I guess if there was any one circumstance it was all of us deciding not to overwork and overwrite everything. Let's pull from all the styles of riffs we write. There were a couple of songs that were going to go on the record that ended up being left off because they were too similar. They'll end up on another record. And that's roughly – if you can understand anything I just said – how we came to decide upon the content and the approach to 'Reach Beyond The Sun'."

Do you find that a painful process?

"I find everything painful. Actually, joking aside, that's not the painful part, that's actually quite fun, sifting through the material, deciding which songs go on the record... almost every other part of recording the album was painful but that part was pretty cool."

Well, the record is out now, however painful it's gestation period was – are you happy with the response to it so far?

"I can't even believe it. I'm not expecting we'll be the biggest band ever, or that things are going to suddenly change for us but I don't think I've seen such anoverwhelmingly positive response for anything we've ever done. I don't know if I should really admit this... but I don't even know how genuine it is. I know how people are, certain bands can fart or shit something out and it gets hailed as genius..."

There's a lot of that going on at this very festival!

"There's a lot of that going on everywhere, all the time! So I'm thinking did that happen to us? Did the right few periodicals hear it ahead of time, really liked it and everyone else kind of fell in line? So, I hope it's all genuine, I hope everyone really did listen to the album and came away thinking this is great! It's always nice to have someone be nice to you and like I said I don't think anything we've ever done has received this many kind comments, flattering comments, but if they are sincere or not I'm extremely grateful!"

When you have those concerns it all boils down to how the people who pay to see you live are enjoying it doesn't it? Presumably the punters are enjoying what they are hearing?

"Oh yes. Live we're terrible though. I'm just kidding. I'm kind of kidding – you see that's the trouble with the music industry, you're not allowed to tell the truth. Everybody yells at me and says 'don't tell the truth!'

You're laughing whilst you say this of course, but it actually touches on a few things that you yourself said in a questionnaire I read that you amswered, 'My 2012'.

"I'm not sure if I remember exactly what I wrote."

Well amongst other things you commented on the insidious nature of 'our industry' and you were effusive in your praise of (Accept guitarist) Wolf Hoffmann and (Testament axe God) Alex Skolnick.

"Oh, now I remember!"

So how does this dissatisfaction with the status quo not just turn you into a jaded old hack, given your concerns? I know you don't want to go overboard about how pleased you are with the reaction to the album, but how do you react to people who've said you were rubbish in the past turning round and saying 'this is great!?

"That's a good question! You do get pretty annoyed. Jaded is a word I try and stay away from simply because it's so prevalent. I think after about the age of twenty eight, whether you're like it or not, whether you are or not, you're considered jaded. So I try not to go with that word, but for years I feel we've been overlooked, I feel like we've been set aside. And it doesn't make me jaded, but it annoys me, and It pisses me off because I know how much the band cares, how much truth, mind, heart and energy we put into every record, so why this one?

"Going back to what we said is this one better than the others? Maybe it is. I hope so because it's my favourite thus far. And there's also the aspect of Chad Gilbert coming back. Next time, will we write our best album yet and the reaction is 'aaahh... I preferred 'Reach Beyond The Sun'?

"I'm not the kind of guy who gets jaded. We've been pretty much overlooked ever since the band began and that will never quell the excitement of a new good riff. A new good riff is always a new good riff, and you still get excited the first time you play it, the first time it's committed to tape. When the purity of the music is there, you can't be jaded. Unless of course you are in music for the wrong reasons which ShaiHulud is not. I hope that answers your question."

It has. Thank you. But I've got one more, and even though I'm reasonably sure I know what part of the answer is I'm going to answer it. It's the ubiquitous festival lineup question – given the chance to programme the top five bands at next year's Soundwave, who would you pick? I'm guessing Accept might be one of them...

"Well, I don't know that I would have thought of it on the fly... I love old Accept, but I hate to say it – sorry Udo fans - but man, new Accept is just FUCKING KILLING! I can't even listen to 'Restless And Wild' anymore because 'Stalingrad' and 'Blood Of The Nations' are incredible."

Even when Mark Tornillo was in TT Quick he had a great voice.

"I'm not familiar with TT Quick."

Ah, well, they were a New York based hard rock band in the eighties. There's a track on their 'Metal Of Honor' album, 'Child Of Sin', where he sounds exactly like Udo. I don't know whether someone slipped that album to Wolf and said 'he's your man'.

"Well I don't know about that but to answer your question, since you brought it up yes! Let's say Accept, let's say Testament, let's say Propagandhi – one of my favourites – let's say MDC – are they still around?"

It doesn't matter. They'll reform for you.

"Will Freddie Mercury come back from the dead?"

Yes.

"Ok, Queen, the Dead Milkmen, Megadeth would be up there – oh, wait, you know who would be great? Candlemass!

A great way to end, I'm sure you'll agree. I did want to talk a little about Fox's beloved New Jersey pizzas, but time as ever was not the friend of this humble interviewer, and it'll have to wait for next time – but it will be talked about, I promise!


15.4.13


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"Fundamentally, it's still rock, and if you see it live, it's really powerful live..."

second relation SECOND RELATION PREMIERE TITLE TRACK OF FORTHCOMING THIRD ALBUM 'ENO'
Austrian prog rockers Second Relation's new single and video is premiering today and it's got Europe in a buzz...

amorettes THE AMORETTES ANNOUNCE SECOND LONDON SHOW ON CO-HEADLINE TOUR
"Our show at Our Black Heart in London has sold out in ten days, which is fantastic! How quickly could this one sell out?"

thunder THUNDER PLAN TO GIVE THE GAME AWAY WITH A NEW BOOK
The band plan to launch the book at an event being held as part of the 'Louder Than Words' literary festival in Manchester on Saturday 12th November.

rudolf schenker SCHENKERS AT WAR: RUDOLF BREAKS HIS SILENCE ON MICHAEL'S ACCUSATIONS
"He's a trick master, and he's a wannabe. And that's it. He can do whatever he wants..."

jon oliva SAVATAGE MAINMAN JON OLIVA RECOVERING FROM STROKE
"I lived the rock n' roll lifestyle since I was 18. It's all I knew and I enjoyed the ride very much..."

ramblin man RAMBLIN' MAN FAIR 2017 DATES ANNOUNCED PLUS WHO WE THINK COULD HEADLINE NEXT YEAR
After what was probably the best rockin' weekend of the year so far, we didn't have to wait long before we could start planning for the 2017 rematch...

airbourne AIRBOURNE ANNOUNCE NOVEMBER HEADLINE UK TOUR
The band will play ten UK date beginning in Portsmouth and Norwich on November 17th and finish off with two nights at The Electric Ballroom in Camden, London...

black stone cherry BLACK STONE CHERRY ANNOUNCE UK TOUR
"We have never done anything like this before and we knew the UK was the only place to do it. That's all we're gonna say about it!"

gary rossington LYNYRD SKYNYRD UPDATE WITH MORE CANCELLATIONS DUE TO GARY ROSSINGTON ILLNESS
"Currently the band hopes to resume touring on Thursday 4th August at The Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion, The Woodlands..."

extreme EXTREME CELEBRATE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF 'PORNOGRAFFITI' ALBUM WITH 'PORNOGRAFFITI LIVE 25/METAL MELTDOWN'
"Some of these songs were never played live before so we had to go back and relearn them for the tour."

ozzy osbourne OZZY OSBOURNE: "I'M NOT HAPPY BEING SOBER"
"It scares me. I hear all the time people say that they have another drink in them but they may not have another sobriety in them..."

paul rodgers IT'S NOT ALL RIGHT NOW! PAUL RODGERS SUES DONALD TRUMP
"We will make America great again. God bless you and good night, I love you."

heavy metal HEAVY METAL HELPS PEOPLE DEAL WITH MORTALITY ACCORDING TO OFFICIAL STUDY
"Metal music can be seen as cultural good for fans and thereby can form part of their social identity."

motorhead MOTÖRHEAD STILL RUNNING DOWN THE HIGHWAY: PHIL, MIKKEY AND EDDIE ALL GEARED UP FOR FORTHCOMING DATES
"Every snare hit I do from now on until the end of my career will be a small tribute to Lemmy..."

iron maiden IRON MAIDEN'S STEVE HARRIS DROPS THE PRICE OF HIS ESSEX MANSION BY £1MILLION
The eight-bedroom mansion was on the market for £6.75million in 2012 but it's "guide price" is now a mere £3.95million...

hrh aor ALL GUNS BLAZING FOR NEW HRH AOR 5 ANNOUNCEMENT
Phil Lewis & Tracii Guns unite under the L.A. Guns banner once again for next year's HRH AOR 5 being held next March at Camp HRH in North Wales...

deep purple DEEP PURPLE 'LIVE AT THE NEC' DVD ON THE WAY: FAREWELL JON, WELCOME DON
The two share keyboard duties during the night in a very fitting "passing-of-the-torch" moment...

status quo ROCK 'TIL YOU DROP WITH STATUS QUO 1981-1986 VINYL BOX SET
In addition to the studio albums the box set will include an extra disc of b-sides and extended mixes...

zz top ZZ TOP TO RELEASE THEIR VERY FIRST OFFICIAL LIVE ALBUM IN SEPTEMBER
"In an abstract surrealism style, this collection is a definitive chronicle of the band hangin' together for four plus deluxe decades..."

tygers of pan tang TYGERS OF PAN TANG "SPECIAL TIME" HAS COME WITH NEW RELEASE
"The new Tygers album is finished, done and dusted and ready to unleash on our 'Tygertastic' audience. You're gonna love this one, it's a MONSTER..."

andy fraser ANDY FRASER OF FREE'S LAST RECORDING WITH SAIICHI SUGIYAMA ONLINE HERE
"'Melting Away' became one of Andy's last recordings. He still had so much to offer and I was really looking forward to continuing to work with him."

ritchie blackmore RITCHIE BLACKMORE'S RAINBOW TO PLAY AGAIN BUT WITH LESS DEEP PURPLE SONGS
"I would do probably ninety-five percent Rainbow songs; that's what they seem to want to hear. And it didn't occur to me. I just naturally assumed they wanted to hear everything."

saxon EXCLUSIVE: THIS IS WHAT OUR FAVOURITE ROCKERS THINK OF THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE
Comment from Saxon, Slash, Thunder, Iron Maiden, Uli Jon Roth, Hawkwind, Cher, Johnny Rotten, Machine Head And More...

beyond the black UK EXCLUSIVE: BEYOND THE BLACK SINGER JENNIFER HABEN IS LOST IN FOREVER AS FIVE MEMBERS DEPART THE BAND
"I have enjoyed the time together with the guys very much and am grateful for everything we have achieved together in Germany. I am currently looking for new colleagues..."

cats in space CATS IN SPACE SET TO RELEASE SLADE CLASSIC WITH DANNY BOWES OF THUNDER ON GUEST VOCALS
"It's is one of my favourite Slade songs, so when they asked me to sing on their version it took me a good second and a half to say yes..."

guns n roses WAS BREAKING NEWS: GUNS N' ROSES ADD MORE TOUR DATES FOR OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER
The Gunners' newly announced dates are for South America with ten dates in Argentina, Brazil, Peru, Chile and Colombia with more to be announced soon...

keith moon YOU WON'T GET FOOLED WITH OFFICIAL KEITH MOON COMMEMORATIVE DRUM HEAD
Manufactured as a special, custom product by Remo, these 14" high-gloss drum heads are a perfect collector's item for true fans of the legendary drummer and The Who...

the answer WAS BREAKING NEWS: THE ANSWER AND THE DEAD DAISIES ANNOUNCE NOVEMBER UK TOUR
"The fact that we get to debut this new material with our mates The Dead Daisies just adds to the rush we're currently experiencing. You really don't want to miss this one!"

ian gillan IAN GILLAN SAYS: "IT'S A WONDERFUL THING, VINYL..." WITH NEW COLLECTION ABOUT TO BE RELEASED
"You just bought something significant, not easily disposable. And look at the sleeves - aren't they cool..."

quireboys THE QUIREBOYS NEW ALBUM ON THE WAY: "THE LYRICS ON THE TITLE TRACK ARE SOME OF SPIKE'S BEST EVER!"
"I approached the songwriting from a different angle and it felt good. There's a lot of passion there."

48 hours 48 HOURS TO ROCK THE UK TO A CITY OF ASHES
"We're hitting the road in September for a co-headline tour with our broseph's City Of Ashes! This will be one of the unsigned tours of the year!"

hammerfall WAS BREAKING NEWS: LIVE LIFE LOUD WITH HAMMERFALL ON 2017 EUROPEAN TOUR: NEW ALBUM ON THE WAY
"We can't wait to get back on stage again to have a gigantic Heavy Metal party every night with all our Templar friends!"

joe perry AEROSMITH GUITARIST JOE PERRY REPORTEDLY SUFFERS HEART ATTACK DURING HOLLYWOOD VAMPIRES GIG
"Thanks to everyone asking about our brother Joe Perry," Alice Cooper wrote. "He is stable right now, with family and is under the best care."

onslaught ONSLAUGHT, BEHOLDER AND ANIHILATED TOUR PROMISES TO BE A TOUR DE FORCE
"By the time we hit the road in November it will be well over two-and-a-half years since we did the last run and we feel the time is now right..."

arw ARW (JON ANDERSON, TREVOR RABIN AND RICK WAKEMAN) ANNOUNCE BAND FOR UPCOMING WORLD TOUR
"I have played with arguably the three greatest bass players ever and I can't wait to play with one of them again!"

marillion MARILLION UNVEIL 'THE NEW KINGS' FROM FORTHCOMING STUDIO ALBUM 'FEAR'
'The New Kings' can also be heard on Marillion's current tour which starts on Monday 11th July in Barcelona...

michael des barres AN AMERICAN WRITER ASKS WHY IT TAKES A BRITISH EX-PAT TO ASK, "WHAT'S GOING ON?" MICHAEL DES BARRES HAS THE ANSWER
This incendiary cover of Marvin Gaye's classic confronts America's issues in an incredibly timely and head-on manner...

freedom call FREEDOM CALL RELEASE A NEW METAL HYMN 'HAMMER OF THE GODS', AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD NOW
The trademark bold vocal harmonies remain. The track is taken from forthcoming opus 'Master Of Light'...

guns n roses STEVEN ADLER JOINS GUNS N' ROSES ON STAGE IN OHIO: FOUR FIFTHS OF 'APPETITE' LINE-UP PLAY TOGETHER FOR FIRST TIME SINCE 1990
"On the drums, you might know this guy. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr Steven Adler..."

ac dc AC/DC BASSIST CLIFF WILLIAMS TO RETIRE AFTER ROCK OR BUST WORLD TOUR: "IT'S BEEN SURREAL"
"AC/DC has been... you know, just... I don't know what else I would wanna do. I love the music and I love playing in the band, and I'm all filled up..."

guns n roses GUNS N' ROSES USE THEIR ILLUSION TO SILENCE THE DOUBTERS WITH US TOUR GOING SO FINE
Axl is clearly in his element on this tour, running across the stage to jump on the monitors mid-song and displaying all the panache of a man completely on top of his game...

stray del bromham STRAY TO ROAM AROUND THE UK ON TOUR INCLUDING A RARE REUNION OF THE ORIGINAL LINE-UP
No need to move a mountain as both Stray and Del Bromham's Blues Devils are on their way to a venue near you...

amorettes THE AMORETTES ANNOY THE NEIGHBOURS WITH RAUCOUS NEW SINGLE
'Let The Neighbours Call The Cops' was co- written by vocalist Gill Montgomery and Black Star Riders front man Ricky Warwick...

eagles of death metal WAS BREAKING NEWS: EAGLES OF DEATH METAL WANT YOU SO BAD ON TWO UK DATES IN AUGUST
This is EODM's first visit to the UK since the band were caught up in the terrible events at The Bataclan Theatre in Paris back in November 2015...

soil SOiL 'SHINE ON' THE UK WITH COMPREHENSIVE TOUR
"We are looking forward to seeing some new places and making some new friends this time around..."

acid reign ACID REIGN GET IN FESTIVE MOOD EARLY WITH SPECIAL GIG ANNOUNCEMENT
'Tis the season to Thrash as Acid Reign team up with Shrapnel with far from obnoxious results...

iron maiden IRON MAIDEN: LEGACY OF THE BEAST MOBILE RPG GAME IS OUT NOW
"We've always wanted to make a quality Maiden mobile game as we think the combination of Eddie and the music is so well suited..."

rick parfitt status quo EXCLUSIVE: STATUS QUO'S RICK PARFITT SEEMS TO BE 'FINE FINE FINE' AS HE IS SPOTTED OUT AND ABOUT
Following the recent health scare a picture has emerged online of him taking a walk in Kingston over the weekend...

bullet for my valentine BULLET FOR MY VALENTINE TO PLAY 'THE POISON' IN FULL FOR THE FIRST EVER TIME
"We promised you something special right? See 'The Poison' played in full for the first time in Manchester! Tickets on sale now here..."

alter bridge WAS BREAKING NEWS: ALTER BRIDGE TO HEADLINE ARENAS ACROSS EUROPE THIS WINTER WITH GOJIRA AND VOLBEAT
This will be their biggest headline tour yet with twenty-four dates across fifteen countries, kicking off on November 4th 2016

the mission WAS BREAKING NEWS: BAUHAUS FRONTMAN PETER MURPHY TO GUEST WITH THE MISSION ON THEIR 30th ANNIVERSARY UK TOUR
"Peter's appearance will help make these shows the special events that we always wanted and hoped they'd be..."

iron maiden IRON MAIDEN ILLUSTRATOR DESIGNS SHIRT FOR ONE DIRECTION'S ZAYN MALIK, MAIDEN LAUNCH THIRD TROOPER BEER AND HI-ON-MAIDEN TO HEADLINE PICCSTOCK
A full-bodied beer using a blend of chocolate and crystal malts to give "a roasted malt and caramel backbone with hints of liquorice and honey"...

bruce dickinson BRUCE DICKINSON TO TAKE PART IN TOP GEAR STYLE CHARITY ROAD TRIP
"The enthusiasm from the group is amazing which will lend itself to making it an unforgettable trip..."

anvil WAS BREAKING NEWS: ANVIL ANNOUNCE UK AND EUROPEAN TOUR FOR OCTOBER/NOVEMBER
Anvil will not only be playing dates in Scotland and Wales but also English towns which rarely see major international artists, such as Huddersfield, Doncaster and Grimsby.

status quo IT'S TIME TO GET 'DOWN DOWN' TO BUTLINS AS SECOND STATUS QUO FAN CLUB CONVENTION IS ANNOUNCED
The weekend will feature live music from ex-Quo drummer John Coghlan and his band with long time friend of the band, Jackie Lynton also scheduled to appear...

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